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Thanks for posting this Southview----I knew there was to be a press conference at 11 but I had class and couldn't make it---hoped that the Transcript might have it but they didn't----I like the Staples and Peebles---clearly going to save me some trips to the Mall---movie complex should draw more MCLA students into the downtown--although Applebees is not my cup of tea-----but there are folks who will frequent it--again thanks for getting this out so quickly----chbpod
GOOD NEWS Traveles FAST:..........Applebees --- Good Bruskies, Steaks, Sea Food, Burglers, Fries, did I mention Bruskies? Another GOOD Eatery (if you like their fair) Did I mention frothey Bruskies? Peebles ( I hope I am spelling it right.) I guess it is like a basement department store, name brands but at realistic human prices. A good alternative to WALLYWORLD! (Check lables though) The Cinema.....???? I'de rather read the book, when I finish rudementry reading class, but my daughter and her nieces will pay for the dang place the first week! :~) The other three stores will round it out nicely! I'm haveng a sexual experience here, I think?
Andy Etman visited the Peebles in Hudson Fall NY (I think) last year and reported it to be more like a small scale Filene's rather than a basement type store----name brand clothing and cosmetics-----selction not as large obviously--- I think this store will run about20-25,ooo sq. feet---family run for 4 generations--- and caters to markets of & 50,000 population----nothing wrong with frothy brewskis mind you----again thanks for breaking the news--- chbpod
Just curious, did Mr. Etman find the brand of cosmetics he was looking for at the Peebles?
I'm going to predict that Applebees will turn out to be a throne in the paw of NA.
It will suck customers from existing establishments (Guiden's and Freight Yard) in the beginning and then turn into the next Pitchers Mound/Key West both that promised to open as family restaurants but soon found it more profitable to cater to thirtsy students. To Key West's credit, they do seemed to have cleaned up a bit, but they are far from the sandwich and beer joint they received their liquour license under.
NA will end with more MCLA students in the downtown, but I'm sure they will be wanted.
CJT I fail to see how "a beer wine license for this major investment on the part of the theater would only help the development of the area" - certainly didn't help Gringos at all. Depending how it is located in relationship to the theater, I think they are only asking for trouble. First I don't know of anyone who refrains from going to the movies because they can't toss back a couple before the show starts. Second, dealing with minors possibly being able to have booze handed off to them in the darkness of a theater is not what I call a good risk to profit ratio.
Staples, Peebles, and theater are good ideas, but keep the booze of main street. We have more than our share of banks, restaurants, and bars already.
There are lots of places I would like to take a beer in with me while I enjoy some event, but its not allowed for a very good reason.
I would love to see the reaction if someone went to the liquor board saying they were going to open an establishment that served alcohol, allowed minors, was within walking distance of a college, the center piece of a cities redevelopment and was going to operate in the dark. This is essentially what will be asked of the liquor board.
That's exactly my point, why set themselves up for trouble. The selling of booze to legal patrons is not my issue. Once inside the dark theater how are they going to control where that booze goes? I was a kid once, buy a soda dump it out and have some nice 21 yr old fill it up with beer. Or just sneak in a couple beers, the aroma will not be as easily picked up on as it would in a normal theater. I just don't see why the city would condone the possibility.
How would you enforce such a situation?
One of the reasons that I don't go to the movies is that I like to kick back and enjoy a drink -so I rent my videos--BUT even with a beer license at the movies----I can't hit "stop" while I provide my bladder with relief --The last feature film I went to in a theater was in Boston--- while I was at an MMA covention a couple of years ago-- I saw "In the Bedroom"---or maybe it was "Traffic"---or maybe it was "Traffic In the Bedroom" could even have been " A Bedroom in the Traffic" I frankly can;t recall---chbpod
I just don't think the city should be condoning such activity. If the theater wanted to have a little lounge where food and drinks can be consumed before or after a movie, that would be fine. But no one could leave the lounge with any type of cup, bottle, or can - soda or not.
Its not too much of a stretch of the imagination to envision being in what has turned to be a sub par movie and have alcohol induced patrons begin to express their discontent with the offering.
CJT I have no problem with Applebees having a liquor license, I think you are getting two commets intertwined. My concern is with the movie theater having a liquor license where not only adults go.
Perhaps I was bit wilder than you when I was kid.
I don't wish to beat a dead horse on this one. As for Applebees, I was just offering my prediction. I hope I'm wrong, I would enjoy it and would probably not make the trip to the parking lot from hell for the Freight Yard any more.
That's great news for North Adams. A theater downtown should help with the younger/teenage crowd, which is must needed in NA these days. The high school kids don't really have anywhere to go in downtown. Beats having to drive all the way down to the old Hoyts nearly in Adams. Applebees is a nice addition, and a TJ Maxx type store closer never hurt either. About time something was done with that lot.
JCP
Well I sure hope Peebles is NOT a TJ Maxx kind of store--- my info is that it is more like a mini- Filenes----my interest is top shelf
cosmetics ( I really need to improve my image and facade) but I think it is less TJ's and more Filenes/Macy's-- but in much smaller scale-- ooooops sorry - I was about to go ti the cinema0 but I have to pee-- chbpod
CJT I'm with on the niche market, I just think it should be a separate area and booze not be allowed in the theater. But my apologizes, it sounded to me as if you had more inside info that the theater was looking for a liquor license.
Making a few coins on a drink vs the cost of insurance and possibly being shut down does not sound like "maxamize the return on my investment" - selling 10 cents worth of popcorn for $5 and 5 cents worth of soda for $3 is more the way to go.
da snoop.....In todays world we try to hard to put everyone in a bubble. We "regulate" ourselves to the point of trying to acomidate everyones morality. Point in question.....No smoking, no drinking, no setting, no standing, no this, no that. Just because someone finds something offencive doesn't mean everyone must bend over backward to accommodate. If drinking beer at a movie offends one then one shouldn't go! An example: I was in a bar and sitting alone with lots of empty seets at the bar. In walks this person and sits himself down in the stool next to me. Then he asked me to put out my smoke, it bothered him. What the fuck? In the first place it was a bar...in the second their were lots of other places for him to sit away from my smoke, third this type of behaver certainly speaks of needing profesional help. Anyway, I told him to fuck off and go sit on a rusty nail. Point here being if you don't like something or it offends you then don't be around it.....don't push your personal morality on others...It's that "HOLIER THAN THOW" attitude that pisses me off. Each to his own but leave me alone! .....southview
Southview I not opposed to anyone drinking. I tip a few myself. All I'm suggesting is the theater is not the place for it. Its not something the city should be condoning from a legal aspect. Wanna have a drink in the next room, fine. But to your "each his own point". If I wish to go to a movie and am forced to experience people getting up and down to go get another a drink or other actions that tend to go with drinking, then these people are infringing on my ability to enjoy a movie. I can very easily leave and not return. But how does that help a business pay its bills? Soon the only ones attending will those who go for the booze and is that the type of theater that NA wishes to have in the heart of its downtown?
I would counter your bubble analogy with saying we are not trying to put people in a bubble, we are realizing that one's actions very easily have an effect on others. You may choose to smoke and that is perfectly within your right. But when you smoke within an enclosed environment you are now forcing anyone who enters that enclosed environment to smoke whether they wish to or not - no matter where they position themselves.
Some people may wish to view pornography, does that mean it should be allowed to be displayed wherever and whenever anyone wishes? I may see no harm in dumping tons of fertilizer on my lawn, but if my lawn drains towards your well, I'm sure you would have a problem with that - no? A free society does not mean a lawless society. Obvious acts of stupidity, where they possibly affect others, must be regulated.
Da snoop...my answer has always been "DON'T GO THERE" it is your right! Othere have rights also don't force your morality or health habbits on everyone else!
Southview I totally agree and that is my point. Does the city want to have a theater, which it would be endorsing by granting a liquor license, where only those who go for the booze are its patrons and more importantly where there is good possibility that minors will be able to have access to alcohol through no fault of the establishment? I think a lounge separate of the actual theaters is a good idea.
As for forcing my morality and health habits on everyone, I would argue that it is those who wish to smoke in confined public spaces that are forcing their morality and health habits on others. You want to smoke your brains out, go ahead but do it where it only affects you and not others who may not wish to inhale smoke.
I fully support your right to smoke in places that allow such, just as I support someone asking you not to. You are both free to leave.
da snoop....you are a "bubble advocate" but that is OK, after all this is America where the few rule the many, the whinners get their way, and what's good for me has to be good for you because I say so and everone bow to my wishes because I'm me! Yes, you also have rights. America "The Land of the Self-Rightous...Remember ...PROABITION...another moral judgement by the few over the many. That one worked out well! What's next on the self rightus agenda?.....closing restaurents because they serve food that is not Allowed by your religion or you feel that it isn't healthy! After all, if it offends some and why should you be put in that situation having to sit next to someone eating a big, or a cow, or any meat! Hell, I have a better idea....lets just do away with humanity all togather!
Southview you fail to see my point. For the most part I am in agreement with you. Despite the fact that you never commented on my two other scenarios, probably because they don't fit your way of thinking.
I don't wish to ban anything, but I do believe there is right place and wrong place for certain activities. I do agree that if an establishment allows smoking than it is I that should go elsewhere if I object. I also believe that if an establishment allows drinking and for whatever reason I disagree, I should go elsewhere. What I don't agree with is the idea that was floated around, that alcohol should be allowed in a movie theater. Again I ask what do think the response would be if someone went to the liqour board and said they wanted to open an establishment that was going to serve alcohol, was in close proximity to a college, allowed unsupervised minors, and operated in the dark? That's my point!
I guess if the above scenario is ok, then there should be no reason to ban under 21's from entering bars, we all know we are all adults here. Shouldn't they be allowed in as well? They can shoot pool, dance, play darts, play video games, etc as long as they don't order a drink.
da snoop, didn't mean to go off on you. You hit a sour point that I feel strongly about. I understand what you are refering to and the rational behind it. Personally I don't give a hoot if they serve beer or wine at the movies, and I am a big fan of beer! The whole idea seems strange to me and I fail to see the logic behind it. If you can't go for two hours without a drink than you have problems. Sure there will be those (the underaged?) that will become bandits and sip a bruski in the dark. That is a given in that situation. But on the same line what stops someone, even now, from sneeking in a couple of cans of beer to the cinema? Where there is a will, someone will find a way!..... I really don't see a "kegger" going on in the dark of the cinema.
To expand further on your thoughts.....why have an age limit at all? Why even make drinking an issue in our society? Again the "whinners of the morally correct" feel that we should all live by their standards and that no one is responsible and accountable for their own actions. If you go into a tavern, or cinema, under false pretence...fake ID, get shit faced, run over someone on the way home, .....no problem....sue the tavern, the bar keep, the city, the state, and God Almighty.....after all it is their responsibility because you got drunk.....not yours! After all I am under aged and not accountabe under existing laws for my actions. You see the sillyness of it all, da snoop? The more we try and regulate peoples morality, the more we create an atmosphere for defience! It's our nature, that part of us that never grows up! :~)
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